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#I’m not so sure about this one. I honestly can’t see many people typing in a “theme” qualifier to find a stage theme. More likely, they’d go to the stage infobox and see the theme there. Furthermore, in one case you mentioned, [[Cookie Country]] already has a redirect template to direct people to the theme. If the qualifier were actually part of the song name, that’d be another story, but that’s almost never the case. What it all boils down to is that we don’t have identifier redirects because people don’t use them, and I fail to see how music pages are any different. {{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 23:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Revision as of 23:53, 25 January 2024

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Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.

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==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
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===Discussion===

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==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
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===Discussion===

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Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
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===Change 3===
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etc.

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Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

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  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
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  2. Users who are currently blocked will not be allowed to vote, and any outstanding votes they have on proposals will be removed. Any proposal made by a user who is blocked during the consideration period will also be removed.
  3. All votes must be signed with signatures (type four tildes (~~~~.)) Unsigned votes are automatically negated, regardless of any points made.
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  5. In the event a proposal has seven (7) unanimous support votes OR ten (10) support votes and no more than two neutral votes, as well as the support of a bureaucrat, a proposal may pass in only one (1) week instead of two.
  6. If a supported proposal is vetoed by the administrators, it is considered failed and should not be started again for at least 8 weeks (56 days).
  7. If a proposal fails to garner three (3) supporting votes (or 3 votes on any one option in multi-option proposals), it will not be considered.
  8. The original proposal maker may not vote on their own proposal if it only contains two options (i.e., "yes" or "no" proposals). However, proposers may vote on their own proposals if they have three or more options.
  9. All votes must be supported by a substantial reason from the voter. Simple and/or unproductive comments like "I agree" or "No that's stupid" will result in the vote being removed.
  10. The original proposer may cancel the proposal for any reason during the first three (3) days of its run, and it will not be considered failed. Admins may veto subsequent proposals if this is abused.
  11. Voting users may change their vote at any time before a proposal's deadline passes, but should update their timestamp if doing so.
  12. Discussion must remain civil at all times! Any uncivil discussion will result in the offending users' votes being negated, and possibly lead to strikes or a block.
  13. Excessive campaigning for any proposals will result in the campaigner's vote(s) being negated, or proposal being removed if applicable.
  14. Proposals about minor article manipulation (such as splits, merges, renames, or deletions) should not be created, unless the scope of the discussion is particularly large; otherwise, these should be handled on a case-by-case basis, through discussions or polls on the talk page of the article in question.
  15. It is recommended that a single user make only one (1) proposal at a time. Though simultaneous proposals from the same user are allowed, they are discouraged; this should ideally only be done if multiple issues are in question, and not many proposals are already active.
  16. For multi-option votes, voters are encouraged (but not required) to indicate a first, second, third, etc. vote. The exception to this is neutral votes, which must be the only vote if chosen.

Current Proposals

Allow qualifiers in (music) redirects (Jan 25, 2024 - Feb 8, 2024)

I will keep this concise, since de facto what I am about to suggest is already done in practice despite its status in theory.

Per our Deletion policy, if "[pages] are redirects containing qualifiers in parentheses", they are the deemed "suitable for deletion". This rule has been ignored in a few cases for music pages, all of which I believe have a solid reasoning:

  1. A theme named after a subject with an existing article's name is a partial arrangement of something else (such as "Secret Island (theme)" for "Fountain Gardens (theme)", "Circuit Speedway (theme)" for "Welcome to Wondaria (theme)".
  2. The case above, but an official name of the base version or a direct remix exists but is not the name of the article (applies to "Goal Game (theme)" in the context of "Sparkling Stars (theme)", and the proposal was sparked for "Cookie Country (theme)", an early official name for "Four Adventurers: Cookie Country".

I think that if a redirect is an official title (which... it should be?), it doesn't actually matter if it has qualifiers or not. It's better to have a redirect with qualifiers than force the reader to figure it out by their own (such as guessing that "Four Adventurers" is a part of the name for Cookie Country's theme). I believe the same could be said for any case besides music as well, although I don't know any examples to go off of. In any case, I'm formalizing the discussion so we can settle it once and for all. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 22:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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  1. I’m not so sure about this one. I honestly can’t see many people typing in a “theme” qualifier to find a stage theme. More likely, they’d go to the stage infobox and see the theme there. Furthermore, in one case you mentioned, Cookie Country already has a redirect template to direct people to the theme. If the qualifier were actually part of the song name, that’d be another story, but that’s almost never the case. What it all boils down to is that we don’t have identifier redirects because people don’t use them, and I fail to see how music pages are any different. -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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