WiKirby:Proposals

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Your opinions matter!

Due to WiKirby's recent surge in community interaction, we have seen fit to implement a formal proposals page. Up to this point, proposal-handling has been informal, with larger ones handled via referendum, but this page serves to clear away any ambiguity and provide a set of procedures for suggesting changes to the wiki, whether that be the handling of certain content, or changes and additions to policy.

How to make a proposal

All proposals must be made using the template provided below, posted under the "Current Proposals" heading:

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 11:59:59 P.M. UTC on the 14th day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

Restrictions

Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on:

  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
  2. Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy.
  3. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal.
  4. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected.

Current Proposals

What to do with bigger but JPG images and smaller but PNG images (February 22, 2021 - March 8, 2021)

There are plenty of images on this wiki, which also includes artwork. As many may know, PNG is the best for artwork, however, sometimes it isn't the largest one available, like with Kirby 64 Cilly...

Chilly K64 artwork.jpg K64 Chilly Transparent Artwork.png
(left - JPG, right - PNG)

...or Air Ride Warpstar.
WarpstarKAR.jpg KAR Warpstar Small.png
(left - JPG, right - PNG)

Significant drop in resoltiuon. On the other hand, images aren't that often used to be this large, and most of them are in galleries in following size:

As you can see, it's hard to note a difference in quality, but transparency works better here.

So what do we do?

  • List both - In case something like this happens, both images will be displayed, with caption like "Smaller but transparent version od a previous artwork"
  • PNG > JPG - Favor smaller PNG over bigger JPG.
  • JPG > PNG - Inverted version of above.
  • Case-by-case basis (so nothing changes) - This is oversimplifaction of something complicated, and each case like that should be reviewed seperatly.

Superbound (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

List both

  1. This has been my de-facto way of handling this artwork, so I'll go with this option. --Samwell (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
  2. Listing both means keeping both. In the worst-case scenario, convert a JPG to PNG (and upload to same filepage) to preserve both versions. —Viperision (talk) 20:18, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

PNG > JPG

JPG > PNG

Case-by-case basis (so nothing changes)

  1. It is heavily redundant in my opinion to use the same image twice for things, but that said, I think that is truly situational about the image's quality overall. In more instances than not, a JPG is usually larger and cleaner, and despite having a background, is easier to make out. JPGs are also usually better to avoid situations Like this where transparency in images doesn't always look good, especially for dark mode nerds like myself. In other circumstances, the PNG may be a higher quality despite being smaller, and would look better in both galleries AND infoboxes, where JPGs generally only look good in galleries. I would stress that both have their advantages and disadvantages, and if an editor isn't sure, they can either bring it up on discord or upload both and allow the community to decide. Trig - 22:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
  2. PNGs are only different enough than JPG (from a visual standpoint, at least) to where we should only replace JPG with PNG the PNGs have transparent backgrounds or if the JPG is smaller than or equal in size to the PNG. So basically, (in my opinion) if the JPG is bigger and the PNG isn't transparent, then use JPG. Otherwise, use PNG. ---PinkYoshiFan 22:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
  3. Agreed on case-by-case. PNG isn't always automatically better than JPG and vice-versa; it's ultimately down to the image itself. Generally a PNG with a transparent background is most preferable for an infobox, while a JPG can look fine if a transparent version of the image isn't available. Listing both seems redundant to me. StrawberryChan (talk) 03:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
  4. I've been thinking and I'm going to go with case-by-case here. These cases seem rare from what I've seen, and generally it's better to have both, but it really depends on the case. Rather than make a very black and white rule for a situation that doesn't happen that often, I would rather keep it case-by-case. - Gigi (talkedits) 16:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
  5. As cases are not unified, neither should our solution. Enough said. --kirb (talk · edits) 04:06, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Neutral Comments

  1. Superbound your captions are funny :p. --kirb (talk · edits) 22:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

To respond to Viperision, I would intensely affirm that images should never ever not ever be converted from lossy to lossless or lossless to lossy, as it entirely butchers the quality of the image and is generally entirely ineffective at comparing multiple images. There is no harm to having two images and one being deleted, as mentioned in my vote. Trig - 22:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposal Archive

Successful proposals
Failed proposals