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Is "Alternate Costumes" (note capital "C") used anywhere in the Kirby games or is it made-up catch-all term for the article? Superbound (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, this is one of those older generic title names. Could probably do with a name change to lowercase format if an official term cannot be found somewhere in a game (don't really want to use "Headgear" as that's too specific). --Samwell (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
I quickly checked instruction booklet for games that didn't have a name provided in the article, and only found an unspecific "amiibo Power-Up" in Rainbow Curse. Since I doubt there's anything else to dig in, I'll go ahead and tag the article with {{title}}. Superbound (talk) 12:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Split page, and turn this one into more of a "hub"?[edit]

So, I will admit, this page keeps growing larger and larger as years pass by. In particular, at this point this page covers so many different kinds of costumes that I'm not a fan that any type of "costume" ends up just becoming a section of this page, rather than their own pages. I think most here are distinct and big enough to get their own pages. In particular, here are the pages I think should be split off of this page:

  • Rare Hats/Outfits - from KFD and KF2. Could perhaps include Headgear from KBR
  • Masks - from DDDD and KRtDLD
  • Gear - from TKCD and SKC (this one in particular currently bothers me in the page: the TKCD section just links to Magolor's Shoppe for the gear list, while the SKC one lists them in the page, we should at do the same for both; in particular, a set of Weapon and Armor is considered "Gear" I believe, so for a "Gear" page I would personally have like the SKC section already does, show a picture of Kirby with both equipped)

For the record, I'm not saying to remove this page or anything, but rather to turn it into a hub of sorts, similar to how Extra Mode works: it explains a bit of every Extra Mode of every game, but for more specific ones, like Meta Knightmare, they get their own pages that are linked from that page. For, example, the costumes from KatRC, KPR, KEEY, and KDB are fine to stay here and not have separate pages, because they are either minor or indeed just called "Costumes". Also, we already have a page for the Dream Button, which is much smaller in comparison to most costumes in this page, so I suppose this would also make it more consistent (for the record, not that the Dream Button from KSA doesn't deserve its own page, more that I think it does, like I do think other costumes in this page deserve their own pages as well). Thoughts? - Gigi (talkedits) 17:53, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I suppose it might be pertinent to handle the Costumes page the same way we do the Jukebox page, with larger chunks of info being split into subpages while smaller pieces remain on the main article. --Samwell (talk) 20:16, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I agree that this page should be split and made into a hub, although I feel like Gear should just be a disambig for the sections on the Magolor's Shoppe pages. Also, I feel like subpages could get a bit messy since there's already pages like Dream Button that aren't subpages of this. ---PinkYoshiFan 23:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Bump ---PinkYoshiFan 16:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
(reset indent) Yeah, I would do with the categories you suggested. KBR Headgear seems long enough to have its own page, but it does have a lot of overlap with the KFD/KF2 Rare Hats, so it could probably work over there. DDDD and RTDLD masks are very similar, but they're only called Dress-Up Masks in the latter, so it might be more worthwhile for Dress-Up Masks to have their own article rather than putting the DDDD masks there as well. Gear should definitely be split, as it has its own purpose distinct from the others. StarPunch (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
The Drum Dash Deluxe masks have the exact same function as Dress-Up Masks and are also present in one of Magolor's attractions, so I feel like those would be similar enough to share a page. As for Gear, would it have enough content to justify a full non-disambiguation page? Not including headers and formatting, the text we have on it is only 746 characters, and some of that is just the part saying to see the Magolor's Shoppe inventory pages for more info. ---PinkYoshiFan 15:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Gear section could probably use what combination it is (Weapon + Armor) and its stats. Right now there is lots of duplicated info in the Magolor's Shoppe pages (one example is the origin of the word "Blazure") due to the split between weapon and armor. A gear page could focus on what the gear is based on with the two combined, while the shoppe page can focus on the prices. I don't see it as any different from having both Evolved Copy Ability and Waddle Dee's Weapons Shop. - Gigi (talkedits) 12:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Another thing to add for Gear: there is gear that both Clash games have, and currently there is no easy way to tell unless you go to both pages to check. It would be nice to have it all in a single place, and who knows if we will eventually get yet another Clash game. The inventory pages are useful to check prices and stuff for the specific pages, but right now there is no easy way to, say, verify in which games a certain Gear is unless you go to both pages, open a bunch of different tables and check manually. - Gigi (talkedits) 12:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Having the Gear page for the design and having the Shoppe pages keep the prices does seem like it could work, especially with the part you mentioned with the games having overlapping gear. ---PinkYoshiFan 16:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Bump ---PinkYoshiFan 22:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Is something like this what you were thinking of for Gear?
Equipment sets in Super Kirby Clash  
Headgear Image Role TKCD SKC Notes
Beginner's Gear SKC Sword Hero Beginner's Gear.jpg Sword Hero Yes Yes
Swordsman's Gear SKC Sword Hero Swordsman's Gear.jpg Sword Hero Yes Yes
Knight Gear SKC Sword Hero Knight Gear.jpg Sword Hero Yes Yes
Lapis Gear SKC Sword Hero Lapis Gear.jpg Sword Hero No Yes Similar in appearance to Swordsman's Gear.
etc
Blazure Gear SKC Sword Hero Blazure Gear.jpg Sword Hero No Yes Similar in appearance to Crimson Gear. The name seems to be a portmanteau of the words "blaze" (or "blue") and "azure".
---PinkYoshiFan 12:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, something like that. Could also have both images if they are in both games, although I don't remember right now if any have any big visual differences; if not, an image from SKC would be enough. - Gigi (talkedits) 12:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I have a draft for the Gear page here, does it look good to split off that page? Also if we split off Gear, how is the Gear link in the TKCD navbox (currently linking to the Shoppe inventory page) going to be handled? ---PinkYoshiFan 23:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm torn... the fact that there are 3 tables covering the same topic and each with some similarities and some differences makes me as a reader wish there were a place where Gear had everything covered at once. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 09:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I also have a draft for the Mask page which merges both the masks from Dedede's Drum Dash Deluxe and Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe because they share similar functionality to each other. I feel at this point this split has to be done right now, so I'm preparing this article already for future release. -- KatFL language C.svgKatFL language Y.svgKatFL language O.svgKatFL language N.svg (profile ::: talk) 16:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Looks good, although I wonder if it should be titled Dress-Up Mask since that's the newer title. ---PinkYoshiFan 20:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. If we only have information for all of it on just this page, it can get cluttered and just look off, versus individual pages which can go more in-depth and focus solely on that specific set of costumes. ~☆Starvoid⁠☆ (t · c) 17:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Bump to this to also try to get this solved: right now we have an agreement to have this page as more of a hub and multiple drafts, but we haven't really put in action any drafts to mainspace due to some issues. Personally, I think we should just create the new mainspace pages based on the drafts and turn this into a hub, and later address each mainspace article as needed separately, otherwise we will not get things done. Although it looks like a draft for Rare Hats/Outfits is missing, if anyone wants to start that. - Gigi (talkedits) 22:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I might start moving my Mask draft to mainspace, if no one opposes to that. Been sitting in my sandbox drafts for like many months, so I wanna get this out now. -- KatFL language C.svgKatFL language Y.svgKatFL language O.svgKatFL language N.svg (profile ::: talk) 15:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
To give an update, Mask was moved to mainspace, and was removed from this page and mentioned. I am about to properly add links to it in other articles, and the other articles that will be split from here are still pending. - Gigi (talkedits) 20:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Another bump. Are we okay with moving the Gear draft to mainspace at least? - Gigi (talkedits) 19:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)