Talk:Copy Ability/Super Smash Bros.

Pointing to SmashWiki

In reference to [1]: I didn't see any harm in pointing to move pages on the moves in Smash Bros. Made more sense to me, since it's Smash Bros.-related and not home-franchise. Tacopill (talk) 15:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm the one that made that edit. Check my talk page discussion with Fubaka as to why the page links to those outside pages and such. If you don't want to read it I'll basically summarize it here: yes it is Smash Bros related, but the Smash Bros article on the moves and such only gives a small amount of information whereas the page about it from the outside link gives more info about it, and because this site, like many other Wikis, is meant to be encyclopedic, the more information we have on the subject the better, and since the outside links give more information they are more preferable to use on this, if that makes any sense. I also see that you went through and changed all the links to SmashWiki links when most of them linked to other Wikis within this Wikis network (NIWA), all those Wikis more or less link to each other in pages and stuff like this, as it's more a friendly sharing of information among allied sites, if that makes any sense. Lordofninjas1 (talk) 21:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to do it in my initial post, I'm tagging Tacopill here just so that they know to come look here and don't accidentally skip by it not knowing there is a reply here or whatever, since that has happened to me on other Wikis. Lordofninjas1 (talk) 21:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Yea, I posted the above in response to what you said, and then gave it 24 hours for you to respond to.

I also noted that you said you chatted with the admins and mods, but outside of your own talk page, I didn't find much evidence of it, so it gave me the impression that only one was chatted with. I also asked on Discord, and no one seemed to know what I was talking about.

My edit wasn't meant to be disrespectful, and sorry if it came off that way. Mine are subject to getting edited by anyone else in the wiki, just as everyone else's is.

So, rather than continue an edit war or pull an card on you, I'll offer a compromise: two columns, one to a wiki that describes the source of the move, one to Smash Wiki for move-related info.

What do you say? Tacopill (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Tagging Lordofninjas1

not meaning to be rude when I say this, but why do you separate each point in your post like that? I thought it would be easier to just put it all in paragraph format. I wasn't aware that a time limit was put on your initial post. I apologize if I said or did something that gave you the impression that I thought you were being disrespectful, that wasn't my intent, I knew you weren't trying to be disrespectful. I am aware that your posts are subject to edit just as everyone else's. I'm not sure what you mean by "continue" an edit war, you edited it, I reversed it, you reversed my reverse, and it was left at that, had an edit war been occurring I would have continued to reverse your edits and so on, but I didn't, unless my account was somehow hacked and I wasn't aware of it and the hacker continued an edit war with you. I personally wouldn't mind having a section for links to both, but I'm curious as to what the admins and mods and other editors of the page would prefer, because I have a feeling it may become too "crowded" of a page, for lack of a better term, as well as maybe somewhat redundant if we were to add another section just for that, and I know Wikipedia and Wikis in general tend not to like that sort of thing. so I wouldn't mind going ahead with your compromise, but I can't speak for the others or if they have another sort of compromise for it or something. Pinkyoshifan,Owencrazyboy17, and YoshiFlutterJump do any of you have anything to add to this? Lordofninjas1 (talk) 22:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd say probably SmashWiki since that's more about how it functions for Kirby, but if linking to fandom is allowed in policy, then I'm fine with it. ---PinkYoshiFan 22:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I think SmashWiki gives plenty of information on the origin of the moves, and some moves were created just for Smash, so it helps to be consistent. Plus, we typically prefer to link to affiliates such as SmashWiki as opposed to the series' respective wikis on Fandom. The characters should link to the respective series' wikis, however, and for the series that aren't covered by our affiliates, linking to Fandom is perfectly appropriate. --YFJ (talk · edits) 23:30, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I chat like that to represent the different thoughts I was having all at once.

I'm hoping to make reading easier for other people in this manner.

There wasn't a formal time limit, I just figured 24 hours would be enough time for people to respond. It's more of a personal guideline.

Tacopill (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Pinkyoshifan, I can understand that, though to me while the SmashWiki describes how it functions, this page is I feel more meant to link to a description of the actual basis and such, if that makes any sense. In other words, it's not a mechanics/function page, it's a description page, at least IMO.

YoshiFlutterJump, while I agree that SmashWiki does give a good description of the mechanics of the moves in game, from looking at the pages, I've seen many that only give like a 1-2 sentence or so description of the origin and such, which I feel isn't enough for an encyclopedic site such as this, whereas the fandom links provide much more descriptive and encyclopedic information for it, if that makes any sense. Many of the move links prior to Tacopill's changes did link to the affiliate sites (Mario's Fireball move linked to the Fireball Page on the MarioWiki in your affiliates, Link's Bow move linked to the Bow Page on your affiliated ZeldaWiki, etc.), it was just the 3rd party moves that aren't part of your network (Sonic, Snake, Simon, Richter, Joker, etc.) and some of the 1st/2nd party moves that aren't part of your network (Shulk really being the only example of this that comes to mind) that linked out to Fandom pages, so it was the moves that aren't part of series covered by your network that did link out to Fandom, so as far as I'm aware It was pretty much following your exact thoughts on it prior to Tacopill's changes, I apologize for not making that more clear earlier.

Tacopill, fair enough I guess, not meaning to be rude when I say this, but just personally while it's not more difficult per say to read, it can be a bit more confusing to do it that way since everyone grows up learning how to read and write and stuff in paragraphs and such, more of a cognitive disconnect I guess you could say. plus staggering it like that is more often seen, and likely meant for, more casual conversations with friends on things like Facebook and Twitter and such, whereas on at least somewhat semi-formal pages, for lack of a better description, such as this it feels more out of place and such, if that makes any sense. While I understand the 24 hour thing, the issue is that many people have jobs and lives outside of this and such, and as such likely aren't able to respond, let alone check, this site and page and such for updates on a daily, or even sometimes a weekly basis, so even an informal 24 hour wait period does come across as a bit impatient and arguably a bit rude, I personally usually give it at least a week (7 days), taking the aforementioned into account, before I try to bump the post if no one responds, there have been times (like here) that I haven't, but that's just a personal thing I try to do. Lordofninjas1 (talk) 14:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

So, moving forward, how is this?

 
{| class="sortable wikitable" style="padding:2px;"
|-
! class="sortable"   |Move Name <!-- links to smash wiki -->
! class="unsortable" |Appearance
! class="sortable"   |First game 
! class="sortable"   |Latest game
! class="sortable"   |Obtained from
! class="unsortable" |Description
! class="unsortable" |Move Source Links <!-- links to other wikis (NIWA, etc.) -->
! class="unsortable" |Notes
|-
|}

I also find putting spacing and quotes easier for me to read, and makes it match web design standards as I understand them. Feel free to recommend other column titles.

Tacopill (talk) 16:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks good, although Appearance could be renamed to Image IMO. ---PinkYoshiFan 16:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Tacopill, just a question, why are you showing this when it appears as though discussion on how we are going to organize this page and whether or not we are going with your proposition is ongoing? it feels a bit rushed and impatient on your part. I agreed that me personally I don't mind it that way, but we still have yet to hear back from YoshiFlutterJump who is the editor-in-chief of the site (at least according to these pages), and thus tends to have final say and such, about whether they want it done the way you are proposing or what exactly, especially since I explained the situation a bit more clearly to them in my previous post about how it was before your edits and after your edits. the way they were talking comes across to me as though they may not be approving of the edit you are proposing, and may opt to do something different, but we don't know yet, as we've yet to hear back from them. Lordofninjas1 (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not Tacopill, but I would like to say that A. Tacopill is still an admin, which, although not higher that yfj, is still high, and B. What they're suggesting lets us point to both smashwiki and the source pages, which would solve this discussion, so it would be helpful. Also, do you use discord? the chat on there would probably be faster and more convenient than this. ---PinkYoshiFan 22:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)