Talk:Ado

How do we know that Ado is a boy? Kusamochi 22:19, 28 May 2011 (CDT)

As far as I'm aware, we don't. No gender is given for Ado in English-language material to my knowledge, though the Japanese manga allegedly portrays him or her as female. While that's not confirmed to be true in the English-language canon, the "male" thing is speculation, and thus even more out of place here. I'm thinking we should either take a "he or she" route or go by the Japanese canon (if someone can confirm Ado's gender as being female in the manga) in absence of an official statement in English.--Vellidragon 08:58, 29 May 2011 (CDT)

An encylopedia that comes with the Japanese release of Kirby's Dream Collection lists both Ado and Adeleine under "Ado", and refers to them as female. Any idea what should we do? User:Technickal

To corroborate, design documents from the 25th anniversary "Kirby Art & Style Collection" Japanese art book have recently come to light showing that Ado from Kirby's Dream Land 3 was redesigned into Adeleine for Kirby 64 - even stating "Ado's appearance in Kirby 64 went by the name of Adeleine." - confirming that they are indeed the same character. This is also supported by a music file named "N64_Ado" in Team Kirby Clash Deluxe as well as Adeleine's Japanese romanization, Adorēnu. A few other sites such as the other wiki are ahead of us, so now would be as good a time as any to catch up. We can say, for example, "Adeleine, originally known as Ado," etc. and leave an entire section dedicated to the character's confusing history. AdieuLain (talk) 13:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Since the Kirby Star Allies Dream Friends update featuring Adeleine is out and it doesn't seem like Nintendo Treehouse Log will post about it like they did last time, I thought now would be a good time to revisit this topic with current knowledge. At first glace, it would seem that Adeleine doesn't feature any overt references to Kirby's Dream Land 3 outside of some of the drawings, which also includes Waiu from Kirby's Dream Land 2; however, the move that creates boss drawings is called Ado's Painter (アドペインター, "Ado Painter"), contrasting the enemy version of the move, Painter (ペインター). While Adeleine is said to be from Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, it's important to note that she is paired with Ribbon, and Gooey is given similar treatment as a representative from Kirby's Dream Land 3 instead of his less notable debut in Kirby's Dream Land 2. In fact, official video descriptions from Nintendo of Europe (+Russia) clarify that Adeleine is indeed from Kirby's Dream Land 3, again confirming that she and Ado are one and the same. (Side note, a correction: that "N64_Ado" music file is present in all of the eShop games, not just Team Kirby Clash Deluxe.) AdieuLain (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Merge into Adeleine?

I once attempted to merge this before, but it was reverted because there was no prior discussion on the matter. Didn't get quite how major the change I was making was back then. But I'm trying again. It's pretty obvious that the two are intended to be the same character, per their design similarities, their roles in the games, that Japanese Kirby encyclopedia entry, and most importantly Star Allies. It doesn't really make sense to me to have them split. This isn't speculation at all, as what this article calls "heavy implication" couldn't be more clear about them being the same character. The encyclopedia pretty much says "this is her Dream Land 3 design and this is her Crystal Shards design". And Star Allies furthers this by including many references to her DL3 design in her moveset, including a move known as "Ado's Painter" that paints Ado's minibosses from DL3. But I just want to see what you all have to say on this matter, as I see now that this would be a pretty major merge if we went through with it. -YFJ (talk · edits) 01:23, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I still hold that the two pages should be separate, considering one mainly has to do with her boss appearance in Kirby's Dream Land 3, and the other has to do with her appearance as an ally in Kirby 64 and in Star Allies. If she shared the same name between both games, it would be more justifiable to merge, but we already have separate pages for characters in different contexts even with the same name. As such, I am still gonna have to say no on this one. --Fubaka (talk) 01:53, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I do see your point, but personally I never really understood the point of having separate articles for different designs. Aren't they covered just fine on the main articles? But even if we do keep the different designs separate, I feel that it's wrong to call them different characters, with all the official info pointing to the contrary. Maybe we could keep them separate to stay consistent with other design changes, but still specify that Ado is merely an early design of Adeleine rather than a separate character? -YFJ (talk · edits) 03:58, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Aye. Feel free to fix up the article to state that they are the same character under different names and look. --Fubaka (talk) 06:17, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The Japanese Kirby 20th anniversary encyclopedia supports that they are the same. It has never been officially implied that they are different. I'm all for the merge. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The 20th Anniversary encyclopedia (Pupupu Taizen) actually does not support they are the same. It mentions their many similarities, and does note that it's likely that they are the same, but ultimately states that it's "unknown" if they truly are. And that's the most recent official statement we got, it's canonically ambigious.

Also, what YoshiFlutterJump paraphrased in their first post here is incorrect. For starters, it's not not from an encyclopedia, it's from the art book "Arts & Style Collection", but in any case, that information has actually been mistranslated by fans in the past. The design sketches in question depect Ado's redesign for the manga adaptations of KDL3, and also mentions that she resembles Adeleine.

For a better explanation, I made a more detailed post detailing this particular source and how it has been mistranslated here, and I made a companion post that details the shared history of Ado and Adeleine in general here, if anyone is interested.Kaialone (talk) 11:01, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

I say what it seems like is that they were the same character pre-2002, but with Shimomura gone they just called it ambiguous because they themselves didn't know. But the official material never outright denies it; older material implies they're the same, and newer material calls it ambiguous. I feel that the older material has preference here for that reason. And I'll remind you that they were still clearly trying to connect the two in Star Allies, but never flat-out said they're the same (likely to respect Shimomura); that much can be said without any canonicity speculation. Basically, old story is that they're the same and new story is that the developers don't even know. I think we're better off keeping it the way it is (with Ado being considered an early design of Adeleine) until further notice. And hopefully, that further notice will come soon. Still, though, it may very well be worth noting on the article. -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, for more info on this, check out the video links in the above discussion. They show Nintendo UK pointing out in Star Allies video descriptions that Adeleine is from Dream Land 3 in various languages. If that's not recent official information then I don't know what is. -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:32, 27 May 2019 (UTC)