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== Characters ==
== Characters ==
=== Kirby ===
=== Kirby ===
[[File:KRtDL Kirby 3.png|250px|thumb|Being the main and titular character of the series, many fan misunderstandings surround Kirby.]]
*'''Shigeru Miyamoto did not want Kirby to be yellow.''' Rather, Miyamoto ''thought'' Kirby would be yellow when he saw his monochrome sprite, as other popular round characters round that time were usually in that color (e.g. Pac-Man or Noobow). As a matter of fact, Miyamoto wasn't the only one who thought so, as according to Masahiro Sakurai many of the staff was also suprised by his choice of color.<ref>"'''—Was Kirby always pink?'''<br>
*'''Shigeru Miyamoto did not want Kirby to be yellow.''' Rather, Miyamoto ''thought'' Kirby would be yellow when he saw his monochrome sprite, as other popular round characters round that time were usually in that color (e.g. Pac-Man or Noobow). As a matter of fact, Miyamoto wasn't the only one who thought so, as according to Masahiro Sakurai many of the staff was also suprised by his choice of color.<ref>"'''—Was Kirby always pink?'''<br>
'''Sakurai''': I had been thinking he would be pink since we made ''Kirby's Dream Land'', yes. Of course the Game Boy visuals had to be monochrome.<br>
'''Sakurai''': I had been thinking he would be pink since we made ''Kirby's Dream Land'', yes. Of course the Game Boy visuals had to be monochrome.<br>
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*'''Kirby was not named after the [[wikipedia:Kirby Company|Kirby Company]]'s vaccum cleaners.''' As Miyamoto revealed, "Kirby" was on a list of names they've gotten when naming Kirby. Miyamoto chose "Kirby" in-part to honor [[wikipedia:John Kirby (attorney)|John Kirby]], a lawyer who defended [[Nintendo]] in [[wikipedia:Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Nintendo Co., Ltd.|Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Nintendo Co., Ltd.]], as well as for the fact the name "Kirby" uses harsh sounds, which created a funny contrast with his cute appearance.<ref>{{Cite|Yes, it is a fact that I met John Kirby and got to know him when he was defending us during the lawsuit against Universal. And it is a fact that the Kirby name was partially chosen in connection to him, but it wasn’t named after him. Instead, we had a list of names that we were looking at and Kirby was one of the names on the list. As we were going through the list and narrowing down the selections we saw that Kirby was there and we thought John Kirby’s name is Kirby, and started thinking that if those two had a connection that would be kind of funny.<br><br>The other element to the naming is that the character is very cute. Kirby is this soft and fluffy character and he’s very cute. In Japan, for cute characters they use very soft names with soft sounds in them. I thought the name Kirby had these harsh sounds to it, and I thought the juxtaposition of this cute character with this harsh-sounding name was very funny.|Shigeru Miyamoto}} ([https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/06/17/miyamoto-wii-amp-wii-u-are-colored-white-for-all-ages-appeal.aspx?PostPageIndex=3 Miyamoto Talks Wii U, Zelda, And Nintendo's Past - Game Informer])</ref> The name connection to Kirby vacuums and that they both "inhale" things is purely coincidental.
*'''Kirby was not named after the [[wikipedia:Kirby Company|Kirby Company]]'s vaccum cleaners.''' As Miyamoto revealed, "Kirby" was on a list of names they've gotten when naming Kirby. Miyamoto chose "Kirby" in-part to honor [[wikipedia:John Kirby (attorney)|John Kirby]], a lawyer who defended [[Nintendo]] in [[wikipedia:Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Nintendo Co., Ltd.|Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Nintendo Co., Ltd.]], as well as for the fact the name "Kirby" uses harsh sounds, which created a funny contrast with his cute appearance.<ref>{{Cite|Yes, it is a fact that I met John Kirby and got to know him when he was defending us during the lawsuit against Universal. And it is a fact that the Kirby name was partially chosen in connection to him, but it wasn’t named after him. Instead, we had a list of names that we were looking at and Kirby was one of the names on the list. As we were going through the list and narrowing down the selections we saw that Kirby was there and we thought John Kirby’s name is Kirby, and started thinking that if those two had a connection that would be kind of funny.<br><br>The other element to the naming is that the character is very cute. Kirby is this soft and fluffy character and he’s very cute. In Japan, for cute characters they use very soft names with soft sounds in them. I thought the name Kirby had these harsh sounds to it, and I thought the juxtaposition of this cute character with this harsh-sounding name was very funny.|Shigeru Miyamoto}} ([https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/06/17/miyamoto-wii-amp-wii-u-are-colored-white-for-all-ages-appeal.aspx?PostPageIndex=3 Miyamoto Talks Wii U, Zelda, And Nintendo's Past - Game Informer])</ref> The name connection to Kirby vacuums and that they both "inhale" things is purely coincidental.


*'''Kirby's main catchphrase is not "Poyo".''' This confusion comes from the Kirby anime, that had Kirby prominently say "poyo". However, that is not reflected in games, and only some spin-offs like ''[[Kirby's Epic Yarn]]'' and ''[[Kirby Mass Attack]]'' have Kirby say "poyo", all these games having other references to the anime as well. In the games, Kirby's catchphrase is instead "Hiii", which he often says when waving at the player, other characters, and emoting. In particular, Kirby's profile on [[Kirby Portal]] features Kirby saying "Hii!",<ref>[https://www.kirby.jp/character/kirby/ Kirby Portal character profile for Kirby]</ref> and this is reflected on the American Nintendo Store section for the ''Kirby'' series, which also mentions his "hiiii" catchphrase.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/characters/kirby/ Kirby Nintendo Store section description]</ref>
*'''Kirby's main catchphrase is not "Poyo".''' This confusion comes from the Kirby anime, that had Kirby prominently say "poyo". However, that is not reflected in games, and only some spin-offs like ''[[Kirby's Epic Yarn]]'' and ''[[Kirby Mass Attack]]'' have Kirby say "poyo", all these games having other references to the anime as well. In the games, Kirby's catchphrase is instead "Hiii", which he often says when waving at the player, other characters, and emoting. In particular, Kirby's profile on [[Kirby Portal]] features Kirby saying "Hii!",<ref>[https://www.kirby.jp/character/kirby/ Kirby Portal character profile for Kirby] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20180504002017/https://www.kirby.jp/character/kirby/ Wayback Machine snapshot])</ref> and this is reflected on the American Nintendo Store section for the ''Kirby'' series, which also mentions his "hiiii" catchphrase.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/characters/kirby/ Kirby Nintendo Store section description] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240105002716/https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/characters/kirby/ Wayback Machine snapshot])</ref>


*'''Kirby can say more than "Poyo".''' Related to the previous misconception, although this one also applies to the anime. In the Japanese version in particular, Kirby often says words such as attack names, character names, and Copy Ability names, and also repeats words other characters say.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9fzKdI3K_s Every time Kirby talks (or tries to)]</ref> These vocalizations were almost all cut or replaced with "Poyo" in most dubs of the anime, hence the misconception. Outside the anime, Kirby not only rarely says "Poyo", he says way more than that.
*'''Kirby can say more than "Poyo".''' Related to the previous misconception, although this one also applies to the anime. In the Japanese version in particular, Kirby often says words such as attack names, character names, and Copy Ability names, and also repeats words other characters say.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9fzKdI3K_s Every time Kirby talks (or tries to)]</ref> These vocalizations were almost all cut or replaced with "Poyo" in most dubs of the anime, hence the misconception. Outside the anime, Kirby not only rarely says "Poyo", he says way more than that.
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*'''Kirby is capable of speech.''' Kirby is simply a silent protagonist in the games and he, much like most other protagonists of the series (King Dedede and Meta Knight in particular), rarely has direct dialogue in-game. Kirby often has implied or indirect dialogue in games (for example, how he introduces himself to Elfilin at the beginning of ''Kirby and the Forgotten Land'', and how he talks through the narrator in ''Kirby's Epic Yarn''), but he has had direct dialogue as well, such as in the Japanese exclusive opening cutscene of ''Kirby's Dream Course''. In particular, mostly in the series' early years, Kirby was often shown talking in promotional material, such as in the game manuals (for example, he explains the controls to the reader directly in the manual for ''Kirby's Dream Land''), promotional videos for [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaCHea4SsnU ''Kirby's Adventure''] and [https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17659498 ''Kirby's Pinball Land''], and [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nk4j/chara/index.html the Japanese website for ''Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards'']. ''[[20th Anniversary Kirby Pupupu Encyclopedia]]'' explicitly points out that Kirby can talk, using the [[pause]] descriptions for copy abilities (which are written in first-person in several games) as an example. Finally, most Kirby spin-off media, such as manga series and the novel series, feature Kirby speaking normally. The misconception of Kirby not being able to speak has roots in the anime series, which is the only ''Kirby'' media to make it clear that Kirby cannot fully talk due to being an infant, but this characteristic is only present in that series.
*'''Kirby is capable of speech.''' Kirby is simply a silent protagonist in the games and he, much like most other protagonists of the series (King Dedede and Meta Knight in particular), rarely has direct dialogue in-game. Kirby often has implied or indirect dialogue in games (for example, how he introduces himself to Elfilin at the beginning of ''Kirby and the Forgotten Land'', and how he talks through the narrator in ''Kirby's Epic Yarn''), but he has had direct dialogue as well, such as in the Japanese exclusive opening cutscene of ''Kirby's Dream Course''. In particular, mostly in the series' early years, Kirby was often shown talking in promotional material, such as in the game manuals (for example, he explains the controls to the reader directly in the manual for ''Kirby's Dream Land''), promotional videos for [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaCHea4SsnU ''Kirby's Adventure''] and [https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17659498 ''Kirby's Pinball Land''], and [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nk4j/chara/index.html the Japanese website for ''Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards'']. ''[[20th Anniversary Kirby Pupupu Encyclopedia]]'' explicitly points out that Kirby can talk, using the [[pause]] descriptions for copy abilities (which are written in first-person in several games) as an example. Finally, most Kirby spin-off media, such as manga series and the novel series, feature Kirby speaking normally. The misconception of Kirby not being able to speak has roots in the anime series, which is the only ''Kirby'' media to make it clear that Kirby cannot fully talk due to being an infant, but this characteristic is only present in that series.


*'''Kirby does not use gender-neutral pronouns in Japanese.''' Kirby ''is'' a gender-neutral character in Japan, but this misconception stems from misunderstanding how Japanese pronouns work, which is very different from how they work in English. Third-person pronouns are rarely used in Japanese, while there are dozens of first- and second-person pronouns.<ref>[https://legendsoflocalization.com/personal-pronouns-in-japanese/ Legends of Localization - Japanese First Person Pronouns]</ref> Japanese pronouns may ''reflect'' the speaker's gender (as well as age, social status, and relationship to the listener), but are not strictly tied to it. Kirby consistently uses the first-person pronoun ボク (''boku'') in Japanese media, and when necessary, is referred to by the third-person pronoun かれ (''kare''). These both have masculine connotations, but do not mean that Kirby is not a gender-neutral character. Relatedly, it is commonly said that Kirby was deliberately made gender-neutral in Japan to give him "universal appeal", but there is no source for this claim.<ref>[https://kaialone.tumblr.com/post/636742650015481856/ive-read-that-kirbys-gender-is-ambiguous-in Kaialone on Tumblr]</ref>
*'''Kirby does not use gender-neutral pronouns in Japanese.''' Kirby ''is'' a gender-neutral character in Japan, but this misconception stems from misunderstanding how Japanese pronouns work, which is very different from how they work in English. Third-person pronouns are rarely used in Japanese, while there are dozens of first- and second-person pronouns.<ref>[https://legendsoflocalization.com/personal-pronouns-in-japanese/ Legends of Localization - Japanese First Person Pronouns] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20191111214634/https://legendsoflocalization.com/personal-pronouns-in-japanese/ Wayback Machine snapshot])</ref> Japanese pronouns may ''reflect'' the speaker's gender (as well as age, social status, and relationship to the listener), but are not strictly tied to it. Kirby consistently uses the first-person pronoun ボク (''boku'') in Japanese media, and when necessary, is referred to by the third-person pronoun かれ (''kare''). These both have masculine connotations, but do not mean that Kirby is not a gender-neutral character. Relatedly, it is commonly said that Kirby was deliberately made gender-neutral in Japan to give him "universal appeal", but there is no source for this claim.<ref>[https://kaialone.tumblr.com/post/636742650015481856/ive-read-that-kirbys-gender-is-ambiguous-in Kaialone on Tumblr] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20201217072404/https://kaialone.tumblr.com/post/636742650015481856/ive-read-that-kirbys-gender-is-ambiguous-in Wayback Machine snapshot])</ref>


*'''Kirby does not wear shoes.''' (incomplete)
*'''Kirby does not wear shoes.''' (incomplete)
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=== Taranza ===
=== Taranza ===
*'''Taranza is not female.''' (incomplete)
*'''Taranza is not female.''' (incomplete)
=== Queen Sectonia ===
*'''[[Dark Meta Knight]] did not corrupt Queen Sectonia.''' All official material states that she was already beauty-obsessed and vain, and as she constantly stared into the Dimension Mirror, the mirror's power twisted her vanity into tyranny, which ultimately caused her own demise. Dark Meta Knight is not indicated to have had any part in it other than being physically trapped inside the mirror.<ref>{{cite|Sectonia and Taranza were {{color|orange|once good friends}}, but Sectonia became obsessed with vanity and {{color|orange|delusions of grandeur}}. It wasn't long before her heart went evil, turning her into the {{color|orange|power-hungry monarch}} she is today.|'''VS Queen Sectonia DX''' Special Page|''Kirby: Triple Deluxe''}}<br>{{cite|But how exactly did Queen Sectonia actually get her hands on the mirror? Well, her underling Taranza stole it from the Mirror World, and gave it as tribute to his beauty-obsessed queen! Sadly, it was gazing into the mirror day after day that led to her mind being twisted towards tyranny by its power.|[[Shinya Kumazaki]]|[[Miiverse]]}}<br>{{cite|A glass modeled after the queen who once ruled the people of the sky. Her obsession with her own beauty was magnified by a certain mirror to a tragic end.|Sectonia Flask description|''Super Kirby Clash''}}</ref>


=== Susie ===
=== Susie ===
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*'''Morpho Knight was not originally an early Meta Knight design.''' Morpho Knight was intended to be a boss in the cancelled ''[[Kirby for Nintendo GameCube]]''.<ref>{{Cite|As for Morpho Knight’s design, it was actually a design that was created for an enemy that was a new type of knight boss when we were planning a mainline “Kirby” game for the GameCube.|[[Shinya Kumazaki]]}} ([https://www.ndw.jp/kirby_04/ ''Nintendo DREAM Web'' July 2018 Issue Part 4], [https://web.archive.org/web/20181203104143/https://www.ndw.jp/kirby_04/ archive], ([https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/ quote sourced from unoffical translation], [https://web.archive.org/web/20210620013016/https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/ archive])</ref> The confusion likely originated from ''[[Kirby's Dream Collection Special Edition|Kirby's 20th Anniversary Celebration Book]]'', which puts early concept art for Morpho Knight on a page dedicated to Meta Knight with no explanation.
*'''Morpho Knight was not originally an early Meta Knight design.''' Morpho Knight was intended to be a boss in the cancelled ''[[Kirby for Nintendo GameCube]]''.<ref>{{Cite|As for Morpho Knight’s design, it was actually a design that was created for an enemy that was a new type of knight boss when we were planning a mainline “Kirby” game for the GameCube.|[[Shinya Kumazaki]]}} ([https://www.ndw.jp/kirby_04/ ''Nintendo DREAM Web'' July 2018 Issue Part 4], [https://web.archive.org/web/20181203104143/https://www.ndw.jp/kirby_04/ archive], ([https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/ quote sourced from unoffical translation], [https://web.archive.org/web/20210620013016/https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/ archive])</ref> The confusion likely originated from ''[[Kirby's Dream Collection Special Edition|Kirby's 20th Anniversary Celebration Book]]'', which puts early concept art for Morpho Knight on a page dedicated to Meta Knight with no explanation.
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== Lore ==
== Lore ==
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*'''[[Necrodeus]] did not create the [[Sun Stone]]s.''' As above, this misinformation stems from [[List of HAL Laboratory Miiverse posts - Kirby: Triple Deluxe|a Miiverse post]], in which [[Shinya Kumazaki]] theorizes that the Sun Stones could have been created by "someone who dislikes the sun"; he never specifically names Necrodeus.<ref>{{Cite|In this game, you cultivate the Dreamstalk in order to progress. This requires Sun Stones and Grand Sun Stones - jewels that contain the power of the sun's rays. So the sun, which is of course a star, is a key item in this game! Perhaps someone who dislikes the sun has tried to rob Floralia of its light by transforming that light into jewels..?|[[Shinya Kumazaki]]|[https://web.archive.org/https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKmEi-SK-A Archived Miiverse post]}}</ref> It is worth noting that the quote specifically focuses on ''sunlight'', not light in general. Because Queen Sectonia is heavily associated with moonlight, Sun Stones act as part of a moon/sun dichotomy, as opposed to Necrodeus, who acts on a darkness/light dichotomy.
*'''[[Necrodeus]] did not create the [[Sun Stone]]s.''' As above, this misinformation stems from [[List of HAL Laboratory Miiverse posts - Kirby: Triple Deluxe|a Miiverse post]], in which [[Shinya Kumazaki]] theorizes that the Sun Stones could have been created by "someone who dislikes the sun"; he never specifically names Necrodeus.<ref>{{Cite|In this game, you cultivate the Dreamstalk in order to progress. This requires Sun Stones and Grand Sun Stones - jewels that contain the power of the sun's rays. So the sun, which is of course a star, is a key item in this game! Perhaps someone who dislikes the sun has tried to rob Floralia of its light by transforming that light into jewels..?|[[Shinya Kumazaki]]|[https://web.archive.org/https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKmEi-SK-A Archived Miiverse post]}}</ref> It is worth noting that the quote specifically focuses on ''sunlight'', not light in general. Because Queen Sectonia is heavily associated with moonlight, Sun Stones act as part of a moon/sun dichotomy, as opposed to Necrodeus, who acts on a darkness/light dichotomy.
*'''[[Dark Meta Knight]] did not corrupt Queen Sectonia.''' All official material states that she was already beauty-obsessed and vain, and as she constantly stared into the Dimension Mirror, the mirror's power twisted her vanity into tyranny, which ultimately caused her own demise. Dark Meta Knight is not indicated to have had any part in it other than being physically trapped inside the mirror.<ref>{{cite|Sectonia and Taranza were {{color|orange|once good friends}}, but Sectonia became obsessed with vanity and {{color|orange|delusions of grandeur}}. It wasn't long before her heart went evil, turning her into the {{color|orange|power-hungry monarch}} she is today.|'''VS Queen Sectonia DX''' Special Page|''Kirby: Triple Deluxe''}}<br>{{cite|But how exactly did Queen Sectonia actually get her hands on the mirror? Well, her underling Taranza stole it from the Mirror World, and gave it as tribute to his beauty-obsessed queen! Sadly, it was gazing into the mirror day after day that led to her mind being twisted towards tyranny by its power.|[[Shinya Kumazaki]]|[[Miiverse]]}}<br>{{cite|A glass modeled after the queen who once ruled the people of the sky. Her obsession with her own beauty was magnified by a certain mirror to a tragic end.|Sectonia Flask description|''Super Kirby Clash''}}</ref>


*'''The ancient civilization that once inhabited [[New World]] did not leave it because of overpopulation.''' (incomplete)
*'''The ancient civilization that once inhabited [[New World]] did not leave it because of overpopulation.''' (incomplete)
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== Game development ==
== Game development ==
[[File:KSS prototype.png|300px|thumb|A spritework of some of ''Kirby Super Star'' Copy Abilities, created on the NES as a prototype.]]
=== General===
=== General===
*'''Nintendo does not make ''Kirby'' games.''' This misconception often exists due to the fact that ''Kirby'' games exclusively release on Nintendo consoles, and how closely the series is related to Nintendo due to that. In reality, it is [[HAL Laboratory]] that makes most games, and while it is true that Nintendo often assists with production and publishes the games, most of the development of the game is done in-house by HAL (in particular, all main series games were developed at least partly by HAL).
*'''Nintendo does not make ''Kirby'' games.''' This misconception often exists due to the fact that ''Kirby'' games exclusively release on Nintendo consoles, and how closely the series is related to Nintendo due to that. In reality, it is [[HAL Laboratory]] that makes most games, and while it is true that Nintendo often assists with production and publishes the games, most of the development of the game is done in-house by HAL (in particular, all main series games were developed at least partly by HAL).
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=== ''Kirby Star Allies'' ===
=== ''Kirby Star Allies'' ===
*'''''[[Kirby Star Allies]]'' did not release in an incomplete state.''' There are many forms in which this misconception manifests, often alongside claims that content was withheld from the base game and added in updates due to a rushed development cycle. However, such claims have no source. When asked about this, Shinya Kumazaki stated that the game has deliberately brisk pace so that everyone can reach the ending, even young children who have never played a video game before. In addition, he stated that ''Kirby Star Allies'' had updates in order to keep interest in the game, as well as "keep long-time fans happy". While Dream Friends were part of the initial update plan, Heroes in Another Dimension was not, and was instead added in lieu of an extra planet for Story Mode because the developers "figured players might enjoy having an additional game mode even more".<ref>[https://kotaku.com/kirby-star-allies-developers-explain-how-they-improved-1833813511 Kotaku interview about the updates of ''Kirby Star Allies'']</ref> Moreover, HAL Laboratory staff have claimed multiple times that they only release games when they are complete and meet the company's high quality standards, so they would never release an incomplete game; this is [[Kirby for Nintendo GameCube#The three lost Kirby games|the reason ''Kirby's Return to Dream Land'' took 11 years to develop.]]
*'''''[[Kirby Star Allies]]'' did not release in an incomplete state.''' There are many forms in which this misconception manifests, often alongside claims that content was withheld from the base game and added in updates due to a rushed development cycle. However, such claims have no source. When asked about this, Shinya Kumazaki stated that the game has deliberately brisk pace so that everyone can reach the ending, even young children who have never played a video game before. In addition, he stated that ''Kirby Star Allies'' had updates in order to keep interest in the game, as well as "keep long-time fans happy". While Dream Friends were part of the initial update plan, Heroes in Another Dimension was not, and was instead added in lieu of an extra planet for Story Mode because the developers "figured players might enjoy having an additional game mode even more".<ref>[https://kotaku.com/kirby-star-allies-developers-explain-how-they-improved-1833813511 Kotaku interview about the updates of ''Kirby Star Allies''] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20190411142137/https://kotaku.com/kirby-star-allies-developers-explain-how-they-improved-1833813511 archive])</ref> Moreover, HAL Laboratory staff have claimed multiple times that they only release games when they are complete and meet the company's high quality standards, so they would never release an incomplete game; this is [[Kirby for Nintendo GameCube#The three lost Kirby games|the reason ''Kirby's Return to Dream Land'' took 11 years to develop.]]


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