Talk:Kirby's Return to Dream Land

Redirect games

I think this page should redirect to the new Kirby and Kirby's Epic Yarn, because they're both Kirby games and Wii releases. Dan Naetle 16:50, 29 January 2011 (CST)

I do agree, but as of now, we don't have an official tentative title to work with. The current name is the best possible fit, unless someone can come up with something else. One interpretation of the name of the new Wii game was "Dream Land", which may mean Dream Land 4. Axiomist (talk) 22:24, 31 January 2011 (CST)

multiplayer sub-section

Is there enough info to create a sub-section on "multiplayer" under gameplay (or something more applicable, if available). The reason i bring this up, is i have recieved this month's issue of Game Informer, and it has the following text:

    This time around [when compared to Kirby's Epic Yarn], each extra partner controls a unique character rather than a scowling Kirby Clone. For reasons that remain unclear, Kirby is teaming up with old foes such as Meta Knight and King Dedede on this adventure, and co-op players stepping into those characters shoes will have their own weapons and their own unique feel.

(and this is for citation information)

• article author: Kollar, Phil.
• article title: "Kirby Wii".
• section of the magazine
  • the section's every month title: previews
  • the section's only this month title: e³ 2011 The Hot 50.
• magazine title, issue and page: Game Informer, Issue #220 (July 2010): page 84.

Combined with the info we already know, i think it might merit it's own section. But i wanted to discuss it first, before doing so. Tacopill 00:11, 23 July 2011 (CDT).

If a game has multiplayer support, that shouldn't be left out. "Multiplayer" sub-section under Gameplay is fine with me if there's enough to say about the multiplayer features, unless there's a section for game modes or somesuch and it would be more fitting there (Kirby's Star Stacker, for instance, has multiplayer only possible in the "VS" mode, so its multiplayer features can better be summed up in that mode's description).--Vellidragon 09:16, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

Sorry for removing some info.... ><. Anyway, i added some info from the above quote. And it looks like what i thought was missing, wasn't after all. Tacopill 00:32, 24 July 2011 (CDT).

Kirby Returns to Dream Land

Should the title be moved? Apparently, a Nintendo representative announced its new name to be Kirby Returns to Dream Land. [1] [2] However, the demo at San Diego Comic Con is still called Kirby Wii [3].--Chickasaurus 10:06, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

More about it being unconfirmed: [4] --Chickasaurus 11:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

Neither of the sources using the name cite anything solid; I could claim I heard a Nintendo representative say the title was "Kirby: Electric Boogaloo", but that wouldn't make it true. The Nintendo website still calls it Kirby Wii, while "Kirby Returns to Dream Land – and the Living Room" is the title of the game's summary; there may be some confusion originating from that. As it is, until a solid, official source referring to it as anything else than Kirby Wii surfaces, we will continue to call it this.--Vellidragon 11:34, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

So, apparently this called "Kirby: Return to Dreamland" according to some Nintendo Power survey. Can anyone confirm that this is true and add a citation in a more official manner? Currently, a second-hand source is being cited; it would be much nicer to cite the actual survey instead. Once somebody confirms first-hand that the name is listed as that and adds a proper citation, I'll probably move this.--Vellidragon 13:48, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

Nevermind, I researched it myself; the name is given as Kirby: Return to Dream Land in the current Nintendo Power survey of August 2011 that can currently be reached on their site: [5]. Good thing I didn't trust the second-hand source, as it provided an incorrect name, spelling it as "Dreamland"; so much for going by unofficial sources, and I hope people will stop doing that in the future. Once the survey has ended, the reference I added should be replaced with a citation of the issue in which the results will be printed.--Vellidragon 14:34, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

Sword/Fire Abilities

This article states that the sword and fire abilities have attacks that cover the screen, but in one of the videos, I saw in the bottom left "Ultra Sword", which came after inhaling many enemies at once, which means they are different abilities. --Triple D is awesome 19:32, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

If that can indeed be seen in a video, feel free to fix this and cite the one in question.--Vellidragon 19:58, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

Zero Three?

My friends and I came to the conclusion that since this game is rated E10+ (The first game to, too), and that Zero and Zero Two are the two only bosses with gore, that the final boss in Kirby's Return to Dreamland may be Zero, Zero Two, or another reincarnation. If it is another reincarnation, I guessing the name would be Zero Three... but it's just a guess. /|/<(-^.^-)>[Katana Kirby!!!!] 20:20, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

That's a possibility, but as this apparently has nothing to do with WiKirby's article on or general coverage of the game, you may want to take this discussion to a Kirby forum. Article talk pages exist to discuss articles and wiki-related topics, not Kirby games in general, so please don't use them for speculation about unreleased games unless there is an official source confirming your assumption (but as far as I can tell from your message, there isn't). Thanks in advance :3 --Vellidragon 21:08, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

Sorry, still new to the talk page thing... /|/<(-^.^-)>[Katana Kirby!!!!] 14:47, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

It's not a problem :3 I've been thinking, actually, about having an automated message at the top of talk pages explaining their purpose, as using them for discussing the article's subject rather than just the article itself & wiki-related matters seems to be quite common (and an understandable mistake, as a "talk" or "discussion" link on an article, with no further explanation, appears to indicate the possibility of that)... I wouldn't know at the moment how that would work, though, but I seem to recall seeing it elsewhere, so it's probably not impossible and I may look into it eventually...--Vellidragon 13:27, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

Possible Plagiarism Cleanup

Seeing how the more recent edits to this have been made by Keeby, part of the current version's content may have been taken from the wikia, as most other contributions by this editor were taken from there; I don't have time to check this at the moment, though, so can somebody please look into this and clean up stolen content/revert them to how they were before? Skimming through this, there appears to be a large amount of original content here (unless that was taken from a different wikia article than their current article on the game) but there may be stolen things as well.--Vellidragon 20:39, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

Many thanks to Sky for cleaning this (and Marx Soul) up. I had thought the story section had actually been written by Keeby, but as that was removed as well, I decided to run an internet search for part of it and it was apparently "cleverly" stolen from the Magolor article rather than the Kirby's Return to Dream Land article's story section; it's starting to seem to me that the contributor in question was pointedly trying to conceal the plagiarism rather than simply not being aware that it's not allowed. Thanks again for reverting this stuff :3 Hopefully, the recent incidents will serve as a reminder to contributors that plagiarism is bad, and everything you submit here must be your own work or used with clear permission, so that these things won't happen again.--Vellidragon 22:40, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

Giant Enemies

As Kirby's Return to Dream Land has giant versions of tons of regular enemies, I have been wondering how we should cover those. Big Waddle Dee and Giant Rocky currently have their own articles due to receiving unique names and Big Beanbon is also covered seperately, but I'm not sure if any of the Return ones even have their own names. There's also the issue of most of them not differing from the smaller ones at all apart from needing to be super inhaled, but some of them DO act differently (like the giant Coconuts, which produce a different kind of explosion), and some even look different in addition to being bigger (like the giant Bouncys). I'm currently lost on how to deal with them... Knowing which ones have their own names would help; is there any way to find out?--Vellidragon 21:44, 4 January 2012 (CST)

I believe that giant enemies, being more common in this game, are treated rather differently than giant forms of enemies in previous games, instead of being another enemy, it's just a variation of an existing enemies (though this is hard to confirm). Looking at the Wikia wiki, what they have done is basically add a parenthetical next to the enemy name indicating that other sizes exist whenever it is applicable. Also, many enemy types also have small forms (and I haven't confirmed this, but when I'm playing in Extra mode, there seems to be more variation in enemy size), which further complicate the issue, and create a huge amount of stub articles if we treat these as enemies :\. For the time being, unless there is a confirmation that they are separate, I do not think these should be treated as separate enemies unless there is further evidence that they are separate, even with the existing articles on big enemies. T.c.w7468 22:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Sounds good to me. Differences can be noted in the Kirby's Return to Dream Land section of the main article. Should the big Waddle Dees be covered in the existing Big Waddle Dee article, though? And do you happen to know if the large cannons in Raisin Ruins are meant to be big Shotzos? They don't resemble them much besides being cannons and act differently, so unless it's somehow made clear that they're meant to be Shotzos, I for one would prefer them to be covered seperately eventually.--Vellidragon 14:48, 5 January 2012 (CST)

The cannons are probably completely different, because large Shotzos that do look like Shotzos exist in the game (I believe), so I think the cannons you mentioned above are separate (unless the ones that look like Shotzos to me don't look like Shotzos, to you, maybe I'm not paying close enough attention). For the Big Waddle Dees, we could state in the proper subsection of the Waddle Dee article that the large Waddle Dees in Kirby's Return to Dream Land resemble or are like Big Waddle Dees. T.c.w7468 22:18, 5 January 2012 (CST)

We had the same conundrum at Wikia wiki (associated talk). We inspected the files in the game's disc image, and and found that only one model exists for most of the enemies - apparently the game just scales it up or down. There's the issue of camera zoom as well - in certain sections, especially in Nutty Noon, the camera zooms in more closely than usual - this is obvious, but a good way is to compare Kirby's size to the enemy if you're not sure whether a model is scaled. Those large cannons which shoot giant fireballs are different altogether; it's called Gigatzo under the game files. Hope this helps you guys. Changtau2005 10:18, 6 January 2012 (CST)

Had found that list earlier as well; are those models actually where all the names for new enemies came from, or were they ever given names in English-language material (this will be relevant to how we handle their names)? The model names appear to be English-based romanisations of the Japanese names (ギガッツォgigattso, for instance, is the name for the cannons I can find on Japanese websites; such names presumably stem from a Japanese guide, as there does appear to be at least one), so if they weren't identified in English-language sources, they should be clarified as such here via Template:ForeignTitle once the articles are made; even though such romanisations often end up as the names used in English-speaking regions, there have been changes made to names before (such as in Kirby & the Amazing Mirror), so we should not assume they're the English names unless officially confirmed. While on the topic of those names, it also lists the large Bouncys (which I had remarked earlier looked different from regular-sized ones) as SisterBound, which indeed corresponds with the Japanese name I can find (シスターバウンドsistābaundo), so I would say that those, as well as the "Gigatzo"s, should be covered seperately.
As for the Waddle Dees, yeah, that sounds good, seeing how they're not referred to as seperate enemies here. Could be something like "[...]while these larger variations follow the same concept as the Big Waddle Dee enemies seen in earlier games, they have not been officially identified as such".--Vellidragon 11:24, 6 January 2012 (CST)

They're game file names. All the names of the new enemies on Wikia Wiki like Degout and Elec are based off that list, as we haven't found any English official guide yet. I thought that's the closest thing to official English material we have. Given HAL's past practice with file names in past Wii discs game roms, there'd always be a few which are romanized - those shotzos, Mahoroa/Magolor, "Sisterbound" etc. I guess romanized names from Japanese guide books are an alternative. Same goes with Mass Attack enemies perhaps? A list full of words like Geromazudake or Mikarin & Kagamimocchi from Dream Land 3 isn't ideal either, then again we don't really have much choice with these 2 games. Changtau2005 15:38, 6 January 2012 (CST)