Talk:Sectra Dee

"Sectle Dee" is this enemy's real name:

• content0.game/romfs/gfx/STD/Step/Enemy/Sectledee.bch.cmp (Kirby: Triple Deluxe)
• content0.game/romfs/gfx/STD/Step/Enemy/SectledeeLite.bch.cmp (Kirby: Triple Deluxe)

There are other files in the directory identified as "Sectraburt", "Sectragordo", "Sectraknight", and "Sectraspynam", so this is probably a pun on "Waddle". AdieuLain (talk) 19:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. However, the name we have chosen for this article is given by a Miiverse post from the developers of Triple Deluxe. They specifically used this name to refer to them. --Fubaka (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Response to Superbound's suggestion for merging with the Waddle Dee page

I mean, Superbound's not wrong. The Sectra variants of said enemies act the same as their regular counterparts, outside of their appearance. To me, that'll be classified as a variant that should be added to the main article for the species of enemy. EleCyon (talk) 08:25, 29 November 2020‎ (UTC)

Per EleCyon. I agree that all Sectra variants should be merged with their average counterparts, since the variants aren't different enough from the average ones to wield their own pages. -- Jellytost♡ (talk) 04:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I dunno, I'm kinda unsure about this one. What about N-Z, which functions identically to a Waddle Dee but is clearly an entirely different species? How about Grandy and Big Waddle Dee, which also function identically? I don't think merging these is a good idea, they function similarly but are definitely different species. --YFJ (talk · edits) 04:09, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with YFJ, which is why I made the article in the first place. Sectra Dee is a different species. --kirb 04:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hmm... I suppose YFJ and Kirb are correct... With what they said, the pages should stay apart. -- Jellytost♡ (talk) 05:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

On the other hand, we have enemies like Scarfy and Hunter Scarfy, which while different, are on the same page, as decided not so long ago. I don't see how Sectra variants are "definitely different species" - they are still Waddle Dees/Gordos/Bronto Burts/Spynums/Lanzers, just under Queen Sectonia's control. Waddle Dee and N-Z are clearly different species-beings, making it difficult to cover them on the same page, and that's why they are seperated (as of Grandy and Big Waddle Dee, I'm not really sure). Can you please explain how are they different species, since it appears that is the main reason of our dissagreement? (Off-topic, but I have used the word "different" and "species" right now so much that it no longer sound like real word for me) Superbound (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Another difficulty with merging the pages is if someone wants to find out information on a sectra enemy, they will have a hard time finding it unless they know to look for a subsection under the normal variant's page. It's much easier to link to a page than try to direct people to a subsection of a page. Scarfy and Hunter Scarfy look very similar; most people would not recognize them as separate species. Sectra variants are very different to the point where some people may not realize they are a variant at all. --kirb 20:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I would like to point out that sectra dees evidently have more differences than Halcandle Dees, which have their own article. Also, the article creation policy states "On the other end of the spectrum, there may be subjects that are extremely similar in appearance, behavior, or both, but officially operate under different names and identities." I think the question here is how this applies to variants since I don't think there's a way to prove them being separate species or not... ---PinkYoshiFan 20:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@kirb:

"Another difficulty with merging the pages is if someone wants to find out information on a sectra enemy, they will have a hard time finding it unless they know to look for a subsection under the normal variant's page. It's much easier to link to a page than try to direct people to a subsection of a page."

At the very end, we can still use inline redirects.

"Scarfy and Hunter Scarfy look very similar; most people would not recognize them as separate species. Sectra variants are very different to the point where some people may not realize they are a variant at all."

I assume you mean "enemies" in the bolded. As of the point itself - Sectra (enemy) and (enemy) are still (enemy), regardless if they look similar or not.

@Pinkyoshifan: I just discovered Halcandle Dee article yesterday, if sectra variants are going to be merged, then I will tag it for merging to. If not, then I'm going to leave it alone. Superbound (talk) 12:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I get the feeling from this deep discussion that we may need to make a proposal for deciding whether or not to merge similar enemies. --kirb 13:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

For people who aren't on Discord, it was decided here to merge all Sectra variants (except Sectra Dee) with respective enemy pages. Superbound (talk) 12:26, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Creating a new hub page

I've read the conversation above (except for the discord portion because I couldn't really find it) and while I do agree that these are separate entities that do not have enough information to warrant their own pages, as a frequent reader of wikirby is is very much a pain looking for all of these Sectra variants. So, I come with a proposition: create a sort of "hub" page instead. That way, it can be easy to find all the information detailing each of these Sectra variants without exactly claiming that they are completely different species. A similar case could be made for Halcandran variants as well, and each section could always link back to the main enemy (i.e. Sectra Burt's section links back to Bronto Burt). GoldenDragonLeaf (talk · edits) 15:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

View this more as a bump and neutral to positive vote. I personally would prefer to have them separate, so at the very least a hub page would be nice. Like... a list page or something. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 15:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I guess so, but what about the Halcandrian Bronto Burts? (Sorta-neutral) --Paistrie (talk) 15:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I will say, I think we should just have separate pages for each of these different enemies. I guess it depends on how you look at the Article creation policy, with both "For the sake of brevity and not to artificially inflate the wiki's article count, articles should be mostly unique in the subjects they cover, and should not largely tread the same ground as other articles." and "On the other end of the spectrum, there may be subjects that are extremely similar in appearance, behavior, or both, but officially operate under different names and identities." being there. I do think the Sectra (and Halcandran) enemies are unique enough to each have their own pages. Sure they work similarly to other common enemies, but they have different names and appearances to justify said pages. For example, KTD has both Waddle Dees and Sectra Dees, considering them the same just feels wrong. On the other end, mechanized Bronto Burts from KPR really don't need separate pages because they are still called Bronto Burt and are the same type of enemy, just mechanized. Regardless, I'm open to other thoughts, as I know two years ago it was agreed to merge them to other pages. - Gigi (talk • edits) 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed wholeheartedly, I'm more of a splittist for these, though idk what the rest think appropriate. A hub page for them still works regardless though, right? ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 16:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)