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Infoboxes[edit]

I wasn't sure how to handle the infoboxes for this, as it's both a boss and an enemy, but I went with adding the enemy infobox to the "main" part of the article as it has appeared as an enemy more frequently and more recently and put the boss infobox into the Kirby's Dream Land 2 section, the only game which it has appeared in as a boss. May not be an ideal solution, but it seemed good to me at the time; if anyone has better a suggestion, though, do bring it up. (I filled in the game parts of the infoboxes based on which games it has appeared in as [infobox subject], i.e. only Kirby's Dream Land 2 for the boss infobox and the other two games for the enemy one, so no, I didn't make a mistake there. This seems like a reasonable way to me to fill them in, so not to give the illusion that Nruff appears as an enemy/boss in games where it doesn't actually appear as such.)--Vellidragon 13:15, 7 November 2011 (CST)

Infobox image[edit]

Is there a particular reason for having no image in the infobox but have an image in the page, or should I just put the KRtDL one into the infobox? T.c.w7468 22:51, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Artwork is generally favoured over sprites/in-game models in infoboxes (especially because of size), so I was going to upload the Kirby 64 artwork eventually instead of adding my cropped model as Nruff has no artwork in Kirby's Return to Dream Land, but with the much bigger image you uploaded, I'm guessing that could work as well now.--Vellidragon 23:15, 15 January 2012 (CST)
I will just put the model into the infobox to make it look better until any artwork is uploaded and can be put in there then :) T.c.w7468 09:25, 16 January 2012 (CST)

Nelly's Mother[edit]

Same deal as with Mamanti:ThisMother's Day illustration from the official Kirby twitter makes it seem like Nruff is the mother of Nelly, which in turn also would mean Nruff is likely meant to be female. Should this be added to the article? Kaialone (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it could be used as an argument for the boss Nruff in Kirby's Dream Land 2, but not to Nruffs as common enemies. --Fubaka (talk) 18:43, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I was more specifically thinking of Nruff in the sense of the character from KDL2, characterized by its size and lack of stripes. The illustration seems to depict this particular Nruff as the mother of the Nelly enemies from that same game, characterized by their open eyes. Maybe it could be noted in the trivia section, or as part of the "as a boss" section? Kaialone (talk) 08:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Sure. I'll leave you to do that if you please. --Fubaka (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Page Split[edit]

Should Nruff's Dream Land 2 boss apperence become a separate page from it's normal enemy appearance, or should it just stay how it is right now? --(JRJ007)22:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking just Nelly could be split as a derived species, but I'm not sure. --DeepFriedCabbage 22:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I would not oppose the idea of the pages being split, with the boss appearance going under Nruff and Nelly. However, it's also fine as is, so I leave that up to you. --Fubaka (talk) 23:19, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I thought Nelly would get its own article because it's a separate character, but it is always associated with Nruff. --DeepFriedCabbage 23:52, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Indeed, we do not have separate pages for Mr. Shine or Mr. Bright, despite them also technically being separate, because there would simply not be enough to say about them appearing individually. --Fubaka (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
But Nruff already has a page, and has appeared without Nelly multiple times. If the page were split, would it just be about Nelly as a separate species, or be about both of them as a boss in Kirby's Dream Land 2? --DeepFriedCabbage 23:56, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
If you split the page, we would ideally be left with a page called Nruff discussing his appearances as a common enemy, and another called Nruff and Nelly discussing the boss in Kirby's Dream Land 2. --Fubaka (talk) 23:58, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I think if splitting were the chosen option, we should have a page about Nelly about how it appears during Nruff's battle, and a page on Nruff discussing its appearance as an enemy AND how it appears as a boss. I'm not saying I will split it, I just think that would be the best choice if we were to split it. --DeepFriedCabbage 01:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Given that Nelly has no role outside the boss fight, I would not recommend that course of action. --Fubaka (talk) 04:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that's a good enough reason. Nellies are different from Nruffs, at least being a variation of them. This is like keeping Big Waddle Dee merged with Waddle Dee, which are even less different. Unlike Lololo & Lalala and Mr. Shine & Mr. Bright, Nruff has made several appearances without Nelly for them to be considered separate. It's not like there is nothing to say about them individually; Nelly is smaller, appears as an enemy in the fight, has a different design, and appears in the bonus game without Nruff. Nruffs as enemies also don't seem to have really replaced Nellies, either: they are bigger and move much faster. One more thing: I don't really agree with having another section about how Nruff appears as a boss, as that can easily be covered in the "game appearances" section. That's like having King Dedede's game appearances split into "as a playable character" and "as a boss", which just wouldn't work. --DeepFriedCabbage 18:47, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Ultimately, the best reason why Nelly ought to not have its own page is because not a lot can be said about them individually which cannot be more than adequately covered in the boss fight Nruff and Nelly. That is why I suggested that if a split should occur, it should be split into Nruff (as a common enemy) and Nruff and Nelly (as a boss in Kirby's Dream Land 2). I did not mean to imply that I did not believe that Nelly was a separate entity, but there ought to be a reasonable limit to how much we divide these subjects before it gets redundant. If Nelly had a role outside of the boss fight and corresponding Bonus Chance, or if Nellys had complex behavior or properties that required more than a few sentences to explain, then I would gladly support the creation of its own unique page. --Fubaka (talk) 20:55, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I suspect I will go ahead and split the boss section of this page off into its own article Nruff and Nelly and have 'Nelly' redirect to that page. That will make things cleaner overall, and any further details about Nelly in particular can go on the new page once it has been made. --Fubaka (talk) 23:14, 31 August 2019 (UTC)