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I'm honestly extremely confused by the games section of this page in multiple ways. My main problem is that I'm really not sure what it's meant to be listing - although it claims to to be minor characters, it doesn't seem to settle on any kind of definition as it includes Keeby (a playable character), big lists of characters who appear in cutscenes even when they have greater roles in the game (like Whispy Woods and a bunch of random enemies in the Super Star section), the Squeaks and a couple bosses from Forgotten Land even though the opening says enemies don't count (not to mention almost every enemy from the puzzle games), characters who have a good amount of dialogue (like the Halberd's crew, Channel PPP, and all of Waddle Dee Town's inhabitants), etc., etc. But even besides that main flaw, I'm not sure the page is even needed as I can't really imagine anyone being helped by a list of characters arbitrarily determined to be minor, especially when almost all of them are covered already on their own pages. If we do keep the page then it definitely needs a big overhaul - maybe we could shorten it to just characters without pages (so basically just the Dream Land 3 characters), or we could just entirely erase the game section and keep the anime and novel ones since those two don't seem to have the problems I just described (at least not to the same extent). Hewer (talk · contributions) 15:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Anyone? Hewer (talk · contributions) 20:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
I feel like the page is trying to include minor characters for within that game (excluding other games/media when considering that) since it includes Dedede and Meta Knight in a couple places, which, while I can see the idea behind, seems to make it more confusing. Also, while they don't impact the story at all (the article's definition of minor), I disagree with the article including playable characters as minor. Speaking of the article's definition ("A minor character is a character who, while having a more significant role than simply being an enemy or cameo appearance, is still not a major part of the main story"), I feel like that would discount almost every character with dialogue since there's not a lot of cases where a character has dialogue that's not part of the story, so I do agree that this page needs to be pared down (or have the definition of minor character changed). ---PinkYoshiFan 11:28, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
My take on the matter, somewhat influenced by the structure I've seen used in my uh previous online incarnation: if the information can be covered on the character's page and/or game page, it doesn't need to be here, it's just duplicate information. It would make sense to only add characters that don't otherwise have or deserve a page; although that's a narrow range, does it really matter since the info otherwise exists on other pages? The concept of a minor character in a video game itself is questionable. Novel, anime and manga minor characters, on the other hand, would be more noteworthy. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor
I agree with the sentiment here that this page should only discuss characters who don't have enough to say about them to warrant their own article, and in that case, the video game section likely needs to be removed almost entirely, replaced with a general statement on how some enemies or other entities can have minor roles on the plots of the games. --Samwell (talk) 18:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Paring this page down to only characters that don't have enough info for an article seems good. Looking at the page right now, that would be the Orange Ocean cutscene shark (definitely minor), the sun and moon from Milky Way Wishes (they're a main part of the plot, so they're not really minor), and the Heart Star characters (set to get pages soon, and they're a key part of the game). The page currently says that minor characters can't be a major part of the main story, so that leaves the Orange Ocean shark (which is more a generic animal than anything). All of that being said, I think that getting rid of the game section entirely would probably be best. The novel and maybe anime sections could probably be pared down as well, but since those are separate canons it could get tricky (e.g. Capsule J2 has a page due to being a species in the game, but only one has appeared and only in a minor capacity in the novels). ---PinkYoshiFan 02:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Capsule J2's novel appearance can be covered under that page though. It's not like we'll elaborate here more than on Capsule J2's page. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 05:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I've thought about this or a while, and now coming from having to add coverage about the KEEY novel to the wiki, and how that relates to this, I feel the scope of this page should be much smaller, and instead focus on characters of the series in general that don't really have enough info to get proper pages on their own. For games, I feel that cuts almost all that section, but maybe something like The Sun and Moon could stay, but stuff like "An unknown silhouette of a vaguely humanoid character appears in the very first cutscene of the game, who is turned into a yarn outline by Yin-Yarn"... Yeah, we don't need those. For the anime, remove every character that has their own page (in particular, characters that originate from the games, like Como, Flotzo, Pon & Con etc), keeping the actual good number of characters that don't have their own pages, like Honey's father, Lord James Coleet, The monkey, etc. And do the same for the novels, remove characters like Bronto Burt, Cappy, Clown Acrobot etc and keep characters like Acti Blade's chick, Mrs. Parfaitski's chefs, Chief of the fruitcake department, etc. For novels, I feel whether or not the character was illustrated shouldn't factor if they are minor or not, although I think only one minor character who is not from the games is illustrated (Acti Blade's chick), so likely not a big deal. Anyway, using the "this character has not enough info for a proper page" as the decider on whether or not a character should go here feels like a good line to draw. Just one final thing: I'm not a fan of the "Minor characters in other media" section of this page, but I will let that slide for now, but can we please at least note that stuff like "Dashing Superguy" is a conjectural name? - Gigi (talkedits) 22:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
I admittedly feel like the commercial implies pretty clearly that "Dashing Superguy" is his actual name ("recently we compared two superheroes: Dashing Superguy, and Kirby from Nintendo"). I don't really have much else to say because I do agree with you, and also I feel like Dashing Superguy is just here for the meme rather than for any actual value as article content... StarPunch (talk) 00:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, I had completely forgotten about that, haven't watched the commercial in a while. But yeah, I agree with that sentiment overall. Also, the scope of "other media" is very vague, I feel. - Gigi (talkedits) 11:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I put Dashing Superguy coverage there quickly because I wanted to have that April Fools' article's image used in mainspace. I thought there were other ad-exclusive characters that'd go there, but it still pretty much was for the meme. I agree that this page could use a big rework. I'm not sure how the "minor characters in other media" should be handled, or if characters created for certain commercials would go here at all. We could either keep that section as a collapsible table, or just only be in a "List of advertisements" page that we could make. Aside from that, I agree with all the other changes Gigi suggested. --DeepFriedCabbage 06:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Indent reset for a new topic I guess. I trimmed down the game section per the conclusion here. However, that leaves us really with only, at most, three items: the shark from Orange Ocean which isn't really big enough and could be covered there, the Waddle Dees from KF2 that present to be Dedede and Meta Knight that could be covered elsewhere as well, and the Sun and Moon from KSS(U). The latter I feel is the only case where I would argue it makes sense to consider them minor characters and mention them in this page, however, that would mean they would be the only game minor characters in this page. As such, what do you all think of creating a page for them, and them completely removing the game section of this page? - Gigi (talkedits) 23:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Considering that the sun and moon are basically the reason Milky Way Wishes happens (therefore being plot-relevant and therefore not really minor), support giving them a page. ---PinkYoshiFan 23:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Completely forgot to voice my opinion outside of Discord. Support creating a page for them (and mention the topic of ambiguity of how many suns and moons there are while we're at it) as long as it means getting rid of the section. Other sections are not notable enough (except maybe the Waddle Dees which could at least have some coverage on a separate page, or something between King Dedede & Meta Knight and a potential page for their shared Battle Stage). ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 23:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)