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Talk:List of Kirby series music names in other languages

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Regarding the split[edit]

I saw the split template on this page, and there isn't a discussion yet, so I just want to say I feel a split is not needed. The tables are collapsed by default and thus the page is only giant if you manually open every table. Also, not sure how it would even work if it was split. Would we have a subpage for each game? Since we only list track names and translations, there won't be that much content for each game, thus I feel it would be weird, and that the page doesn't need to be split. - Gigi (talkedits) 12:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

It's less a navigation issue and more of a page size issue. Once it gets past a certain point, it starts lagging the page editor a lot, and generally becomes an issue to maintain. The issue of how to split it is something I haven't figured out either, but I'm mostly concerned about it being accessible to editors. StarPunch (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I think we could to it make the tables into their own templates, like how it's done with {{Ability Chart}} and {{Enemy Chart}} on Copy Ability and Enemy pages, respectively. Superbound (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I brought that up as a possibility, yeah. That might be the best way to save space, since it'll keep everything on one page while reducing the total page size. StarPunch (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Splitting the tables into templates seems like a good idea, but would it be every table or just the bigger ones? And if just the bigger ones, then what would the cutoff point be? ---PinkYoshiFan 23:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I've thought about some ways to split this page which I once brought on the Discord. They are these, listed from the one that I prefer the most to the least:
  1. Putting each table at the end of their respective section of the Jukebox page. This would mean that the Air Ride table would be at the end of the Air Ride section of the Jukebox page, that the Mass Attack table would be at the end of the Mass Attack subpage, and so.
  2. Making one subpage for every single table and linking them in each section. This idea come from this Super Mario Wiki page which is a list of the track names of Odyssey's Music List and is linked to in the Music list page. So there would be a page presumably named "List of Kirby Air Ride Sound Test names in other languages" linked in the Air Ride section of the Jukebox article, one for Mass Attack linked in the Mass Attack Jukebox subpage, and so on.
  3. Making one subpage for every single table and linking them all at the end of the Jukebox article. Same as above but instead of each list linked in its section, every list would be linked at the end of the Jukebox page, where the link of this page it currently. Like, instead of linking to one big page there, there would be various links to smaller pages.
I don't know if I prefer this page being split or not, but if it is splitted, I'd rather have each table put directly in each game's section, instead of them being in another page which is linked in each section and such. About the templates, I guess that they would be good to have the page size of the Jukebox page in control, but aside from that, I'd rather have the tables directly in the pages and not as an external templates, because in that way it would be more direct to edit them. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 19:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
The first of those would probably run into similar issues as brought up here, since we would be merging the 2nd longest and 6th longest pages on the entire wiki. 2 and 3 could work (I don't really have a personal preference between them), but I wonder if transclusion would work better in this case? The main issue is the load time of the editor (again, this is the second longest page on the wiki already and the source is over a thousand lines longer than the longest page's source), and having the subpages be transcluded would reduce the editor size while making the page look the same for readers. ---PinkYoshiFan 15:39, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Transclusion is my preference, yes. This page seems like the most convenient way to keep things organized cleanly, and the issue is more that of maintenance, which could be resolved by storing each table separately and just transcluding them here. If we do that, we could also put the charts on the Jukebox page without adding much to the overall size. StarPunch (talk) 20:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Bump and I agree with the transclusion method. I do wonder if we should add then the tables to the applicable pages (say on Jukebox/Kirby and the Rainbow Curse or just link to here, but I think transclusion is already a good first step. - Gigi (talkedits) 14:27, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I didn't consider the fact that transclusion would also let us do it on other pages as well, that seems like a pretty good side effect. That being said, would those tables then be subpages of this page or subpages of the jukebox page if it's used on both? ---PinkYoshiFan 15:35, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

As transclusion would remove the page size problem, my preference would be transcluding each template/table into each section (the Air Ride table on the Air Ride section) and page (the Rainbow Curse table into the Rainbow Curse subpage) and so. That would only cover the tables of the games that have a Jukebox, leaving out things like the Smash games and Drum Dash Deluxe, but I'd rather get the ones with Jukeboxes out of this page now in that way, and worry about the other ones later. About the other methods, those being "transclusing the tables onto this page" or "transcribing the tables to another different subpage for each one", I am good with doing either but I'd rather just put the tables on each page directly as I just described instead of going with either of these two options. In any case, between these two I prefer the later (making a subpage for each table, like what SMW did there) and in that case, I think that it would be better having them as subpages of the Jukebox page instead of subpages of this page that we are on. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 20:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps we can keep this page as a "hub" of all subpages, and then have a subpage for each game/album. Then we can link to the subpages here and in the respective pages of the game's jukeboxes or the albums. - Gigi (talkedits) 20:38, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
So make the tables subpages of this page, then transclude them here and in Jukebox? ---PinkYoshiFan 16:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
I don't have any opinion on whether we should add the tables to Jukebox pages, but because we're in agreement that we're splitting them, I'm doing that. We can figure out later anyway. Superbound (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)